when a bad law exists  

MulleenofMelb 53M
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4/8/2018 5:02 pm

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when a bad law exists


when a bad law exists
Whenever I hear of a school shooting
and of the deaths which occurred
and how a hero stood up
and sheltered young lives
losing their life in the process
I do not celebrate their heroics
I grieve their death
for it is a bad law
which forces good people
to die heroically
to protect the young

and......
let there be guns
regulated and trained
for hunting and sport
but an AR15 and similar is neither
an AR15 was crafted on a weapon
built for war and death
and if you take those weapons away
and slow the pace of killing
perhaps more good men and women
will at the end of a day be alive
to do good and not have cast their lives away
being heroic for a moment
due to a teenager disillusioned
unable to see another way out
other than planning to appear
in the media as the latest one
whom we should ignore while
offering thoughts and prayers
for the good who were slain
by allowing a bad law to continue
unregulated and unquestioned
by those who can vote for protections

for it is a bad law
which forces good people
to have to die heroically
the potential good of
their future years wasted.



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MulleenofMelb 53M
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4/19/2018 12:23 am

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slowone40 48M
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4/17/2018 4:06 pm

There's a balance in life that most people can't see, it's ther cause it has to be there, it's been ther from the beginning of time everything survives on it. It brings are future for decades and beyond. Without it we all die. Your only going to fit so many marbles in a jar before it explodes. So now tell me are you someone who will protect with anything u have or are you the one that someone need to protect?


slowone40 48M
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4/17/2018 3:45 pm

Haha now what is the inappropriate ones? Automatic ones lol, did u ever shoot one? That shit is fun as fuk, plus if I had one and I had to using it as my protector I'm just pointing, ik at least 1 out of 5 of them bullets hit wat ever was harming me, I can hold a person at Bay until the appropriate authorities come hehe well at least he or whatever hope so, also so if I see Bigfoot and he was coming after me I want a bunch of bullets fly at him. Oh you are one of those folks that wants to take pictures. And look at mister job creater mental illness , actually that's pretty good cause we all need to be in it.


slowone40 48M
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4/17/2018 1:30 am

We are already at a stage in our lives where people are telling people what to do or where to live you can't do this can't do that, you got to look like this or that, believe in this or that .it's not working all it's doing is creating more hostility amongst all of us .maybe we should try something new ?


MulleenofMelb replies on 4/19/2018 12:22 am:
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MulleenofMelb 53M
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4/17/2018 1:21 am

    Quoting slowone40:
    So your answer is to take them away? Nah we got to understand that shit happens.how fucked up it maybe it will happen. Its disturbing how shit is when u think about it, you may ask yourself " what have we become" Hmm.
    How does anyone have access to them cause they can.. banning certians things that everyone can ge,t it will and continue .to happen.Banning is not the solution." We as people created this.,when are ancestors started using things to get food with started using them for control. It's not fair to " Anyone" I don't care who you are, you could be a grand fuking wizard, it's not fair for me or anyone to tell you that you can't have a gun. Guns are here now , how some poeple use them is fuked up but it don't give me the right to take something away from the people who are.
take away the inappropriate weapons, the assault weapons, or others, in the best interest of society. Keep those which are appropriate for use in hunting or sport.

be a great idea to provide more money to health and mental services as well....

(and yes, when people use things incorrectly we take them away from them.)

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slowone40 48M
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4/17/2018 1:01 am

So your answer is to take them away? Nah we got to understand that shit happens.how fucked up it maybe it will happen. Its disturbing how shit is when u think about it, you may ask yourself " what have we become" Hmm.
How does anyone have access to them cause they can.. banning certians things that everyone can ge,t it will and continue .to happen.Banning is not the solution." We as people created this.,when are ancestors started using things to get food with started using them for control. It's not fair to " Anyone" I don't care who you are, you could be a grand fuking wizard, it's not fair for me or anyone to tell you that you can't have a gun. Guns are here now , how some poeple use them is fuked up but it don't give me the right to take something away from the people who are.


MulleenofMelb 53M
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4/15/2018 11:33 pm

    Quoting  :

Hmm not sure where you are going with this....Camp Perry appears to conduct shooting matches and, I am guessing, training on firearm use?

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slowone40 48M
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4/15/2018 11:19 pm

Mmmm , I don't think it's law, it's instinct , it's within are selves to protect are young and old. Those who died are heros, they died to have someone else to live and who knows what they may have becime, maybe ther the ones who will change the world or what ever, it was a sad moment and wish the families well,. And the gun didnt kill no one the sick fuk did, And you can train a person on how to use a gun anyway you want but it won't help if u can't change there mind .


MulleenofMelb replies on 4/15/2018 11:37 pm:
not sure exactly which side you are coming to this poem from, however think we are all agreed you can't control a person's mind, and if they are unstable, the question is what access they have to weapons, or lack of access, so we do not enable a greater disaster. Even certain types of farming fertilisers have restricted access, due to the malevolent uses to which they can be turned.

thanks for the comment.

MulleenofMelb 53M
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4/14/2018 7:29 am

    Quoting  :

sometimes those from afar can catch glimpses of the better parts of the soul, and wonder how those closer cannot see what seem like obvious flaws....all of us sometimes get that level of belligerence....

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MulleenofMelb 53M
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4/10/2018 11:31 pm

    Quoting yesmamallthetime:
    That daring jackass insulting Author51 was what I have found from right wing a holes in the US again and again. I know it is not just right wing folks but unhinged folks in general. LOL Now he insults her images while showing off his package. What a colossal DICK!
ah, well, the statement you make.....what a colossal DICK may be interpreted as a compliment. ;D You may get flowers.

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MulleenofMelb 53M
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4/10/2018 7:35 pm

    Quoting DaringSideOfMe:
    because your attention to real facts is fascinating. Because for one of our states here, Victoria, I tried to match it to comparable states in the US, as regards population and average annual salary. I know statistics aren't perfect but....gee gun deaths in Victoria...

    First of all, your attention to parameters is shameful at best.
    You chose to ignore the parameters set before you because you know, for a fact, that all Violent Crime (combination of all muggings, robberies, assaults, the "r"-word that is denied usage here, murders, ect) increased post- Australian gun ban.

    Not talking tally numbers, talking percentage rates per capita, pre-ban versus post-ban.

    The statement being made is: Australia made unarmed victims out of the population because of policy made due to Port Arthur.

    Simply google “Australian crime rates post gun ban.” Try to not be the simple-minded goober and see the top two results (FactCheck and Snopes). Those are homicides only. (Which were already on the exact same rate of decline pre-ban.) I am talking all violent crime against a victim; those numbers have increased.

    Since I said the comparative socio/political/geographical/cultural region was a clump of states combined with similar characteristics as the entire country of Australia (in attempt to put two “Australia’s” side-by-side), you will see since there is no ban (or additional restrictions placed) on firearms in that region (MT, ND, SD, NE, CO, WY – heck, toss in ID and MN for giggles) there is NO proof your type of gun ban does ANYTHING but increase violent crime.

    Armed is polite, sir.
    You and, whomever may not like that it is, but… it is.
Armed is not polite. Armed is fearful. Fearing your children will not return alive from school, or that they will maimed, or traumatized.

You ignore, deflect, and defecate.

The original posting, and focus of discussion, was mass shootings, and some form of gun controls over assault weapons

Your last few comments have tried to take the discussion elsewhere, because you have been unable to make a defense for the lax gun laws currently in place, which result in mass shootings in schools.

Armed is not polite. Armed is fearful. Fearing your children will not return alive from school, or that they will maimed, or traumatized.

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DaringSideOfMe 51M  

4/10/2018 7:09 pm

    Quoting MulleenofMelb:
    hmmm, when they go low, go high. Obviously something you wouldn't understand in a month of sundays.

    Oh statistics. You know you should run for President, because your attention to real facts is fascinating.

    Because for one of our states here, Victoria, I tried to match it to comparable states in the US, as regards population and average annual salary.

    I know statistics aren't perfect but....gee gun deaths in Victoria...59 for 2014, and 38 for 2015. Your best state for least gun deaths was Massachusetts, with 228 in 2014, and 213 for 2015...in both cases around four times more gun deaths...and the slaughter in your other states is just.....numbing, horrifying, and plain sickening.

    Year 2014
    Victoria pop. Avg Salary Gun deaths
    5.76m 44524 AUD 59

    US State Pop. Gun deaths Avg Salary
    Minnesota 5.45m 377 cdc 49,169 US
    Colorado 5.34m 663 cdc 49,823 US
    Wisconsin 5.75m 487 cdc 44,414 US
    Maryland 5.96m 546 cdc 54,109 US
    Missouri 6.06m 943 cdc 41,126 US
    Indiana 6.59m 818 cdc 40,477 US
    Tennessee 6.54m 1,016 cdc 40,253 US
    Massachusetts 6.74m 226 cdc 59,650 US

    2015
    Victoria pop. Avg Salary Gun deaths
    5.88m 45568 38

    US State Pop. Gun deaths Avg Salary
    Minnesota 5.48m 410 cdc 50,938 US
    Colorado 5.44m 701 cdc 50,971 US
    Wisconsin 5.76m 613 cdc 45,942 US
    Maryland 5.99m 708 cdc 56,078 US
    Missouri 6.07m 1,094 cdc 42,352 US
    Indiana 6.61m 846 cdc 41,984 US
    Tennessee 6.59m 1,075 cdc 42,127 US
    Massachusetts 6.78m 213 cdc 62,697 US

    Call me after you have finished looking in your own backyard. Because obviously guns and bullets may break my bones - or they break any humans bones....but your comparative measures on gun control sure don;t hurt my argument. Honestly. Disappointed.

    If you have such a high regard statistics, then reading these real factual figures should make you weep, and maybe do something, anything, JUST DO SOMETHING, about proper gun control in your country.

    Thanks for your point of view, but your is an opinion...not a sane, reasoned, factual argument.
because your attention to real facts is fascinating. Because for one of our states here, Victoria, I tried to match it to comparable states in the US, as regards population and average annual salary. I know statistics aren't perfect but....gee gun deaths in Victoria...

First of all, your attention to parameters is shameful at best.
You chose to ignore the parameters set before you because you know, for a fact, that all Violent Crime (combination of all muggings, robberies, assaults, the "r"-word that is denied usage here, murders, ect) increased post- Australian gun ban.

Not talking tally numbers, talking percentage rates per capita, pre-ban versus post-ban.

The statement being made is: Australia made unarmed victims out of the population because of policy made due to Port Arthur.

Simply google “Australian crime rates post gun ban.” Try to not be the simple-minded goober and see the top two results (FactCheck and Snopes). Those are homicides only. (Which were already on the exact same rate of decline pre-ban.) I am talking all violent crime against a victim; those numbers have increased.

Since I said the comparative socio/political/geographical/cultural region was a clump of states combined with similar characteristics as the entire country of Australia (in attempt to put two “Australia’s” side-by-side), you will see since there is no ban (or additional restrictions placed) on firearms in that region (MT, ND, SD, NE, CO, WY – heck, toss in ID and MN for giggles) there is NO proof your type of gun ban does ANYTHING but increase violent crime.

Armed is polite, sir.
You and, whomever may not like that it is, but… it is.


MulleenofMelb 53M
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4/10/2018 6:32 am

    Quoting author51:
    Of course when one writes about gun laws and shooting people come out of the woodwork to comment....When we write of something other than drama or senseless, needless acts, they remain hidden....

    Even though my country has gun violence,one does not hear of the mass shootings because our gun laws make it hard and our laws are more stringent than those countries who deem it fit to be free to bare arms....

    Sorry just my opinion here...

    BTW: I am an avid admirer of everything you write......
I must admit I didn't expect the level of response my post has inspired in those of a contrary view.

The sad thing I have noted, is even ignoring their vitriol and insults, they still refuse to accept facts - or even move one iota, one atom width, from a position where their gun laws are not completely perfect. They are fanatics, who still prefer to think of school shootings as natural occurrences which happen like leaves falling in Autumn, Events over which they have no control, and thus this absolves them from any responsibility that these events could be linked to their total inaction to establish some better constructive gun laws - which enable guns to exist in a society without continual mass shootings, metal detectors at schools, and teachers having to have loaded weapons in a classroom.

My apologies for the insults posted towards you and your Canadian-ness

Then again I have always found there is a requirement to actually hold the person insulting you in some respect to feel any sting from an insult, otherwise the insult given is just an example of how infantile the other person is - and how deplorable their argument if they need to resort to insults not to reason, facts, and compassion.

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MulleenofMelb 53M
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4/10/2018 6:20 am

    Quoting DaringSideOfMe:
    And you, a Canook... with your pretty tits, ass, and whatever else you're showing off here...
    Stay entertaining.
    Dolly Parton (an American entertainer, btw..), once talked about how entertainers have no place discussing politics.
you know, your probably right, Canadians have no right debating American gun laws, because their gun laws are reasoned, commonsense, and sane interpretations of a society managing guns in their midst. While American gun laws are simply, totally, not.

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MulleenofMelb 53M
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4/10/2018 6:17 am

    Quoting DaringSideOfMe:
    Oh jeeebus H Fuggin' cryst....

    I'm sitting here debating MY country's Constitutional rights founded after separating from the very country that settled yours as a prison isle?

    Even IF you wanted to claim Australian gun bans worked, I'd present to you an equivalent section of the USA that has the same characteristics as your entire island. Geography, population centers, land usages, ect.

    Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Colorado, and Wyoming. There's your comparative measure. Other than historical heritage, the regions are almost a perfect comparison.

    Same gun count here currently, as you had pre-Australian gun ban. When you compare how YOUR violent crime rates spiked and those rates maintain AFTER your gun ban to the violent crime rates of ALL the states combined (MT, ND, SD, NE, CO, and WY) as fair, equal, comparative measures...
    You will find your country CLEARLY went the wrong direction. You seriously want to bring your nonsense view of what lives mean, when your own back yard is teeming with the exact same filth you want mine?

    Your opinion, because you don't even live here, means squat.
    Pay attention to the crap happening in your own back yard before worrying about mine.
hmmm, when they go low, go high. Obviously something you wouldn't understand in a month of sundays.

Oh statistics. You know you should run for President, because your attention to real facts is fascinating.

Because for one of our states here, Victoria, I tried to match it to comparable states in the US, as regards population and average annual salary.

I know statistics aren't perfect but....gee gun deaths in Victoria...59 for 2014, and 38 for 2015. Your best state for least gun deaths was Massachusetts, with 228 in 2014, and 213 for 2015...in both cases around four times more gun deaths...and the slaughter in your other states is just.....numbing, horrifying, and plain sickening.

Year 2014
Victoria pop. Avg Salary Gun deaths
5.76m 44524 AUD 59

US State Pop. Gun deaths Avg Salary
Minnesota 5.45m 377 cdc 49,169 US
Colorado 5.34m 663 cdc 49,823 US
Wisconsin 5.75m 487 cdc 44,414 US
Maryland 5.96m 546 cdc 54,109 US
Missouri 6.06m 943 cdc 41,126 US
Indiana 6.59m 818 cdc 40,477 US
Tennessee 6.54m 1,016 cdc 40,253 US
Massachusetts 6.74m 226 cdc 59,650 US

2015
Victoria pop. Avg Salary Gun deaths
5.88m 45568 38

US State Pop. Gun deaths Avg Salary
Minnesota 5.48m 410 cdc 50,938 US
Colorado 5.44m 701 cdc 50,971 US
Wisconsin 5.76m 613 cdc 45,942 US
Maryland 5.99m 708 cdc 56,078 US
Missouri 6.07m 1,094 cdc 42,352 US
Indiana 6.61m 846 cdc 41,984 US
Tennessee 6.59m 1,075 cdc 42,127 US
Massachusetts 6.78m 213 cdc 62,697 US

Call me after you have finished looking in your own backyard. Because obviously guns and bullets may break my bones - or they break any humans bones....but your comparative measures on gun control sure don;t hurt my argument. Honestly. Disappointed.

If you have such a high regard statistics, then reading these real factual figures should make you weep, and maybe do something, anything, JUST DO SOMETHING, about proper gun control in your country.

Thanks for your point of view, but your is an opinion...not a sane, reasoned, factual argument.

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DaringSideOfMe 51M  

4/9/2018 3:06 pm

Oh jeeebus H Fuggin' cryst....

I'm sitting here debating MY country's Constitutional rights founded after separating from the very country that settled yours as a prison isle?

Even IF you wanted to claim Australian gun bans worked, I'd present to you an equivalent section of the USA that has the same characteristics as your entire island. Geography, population centers, land usages, ect.

Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Colorado, and Wyoming. There's your comparative measure. Other than historical heritage, the regions are almost a perfect comparison.

Same gun count here currently, as you had pre-Australian gun ban. When you compare how YOUR violent crime rates spiked and those rates maintain AFTER your gun ban to the violent crime rates of ALL the states combined (MT, ND, SD, NE, CO, and WY) as fair, equal, comparative measures...
You will find your country CLEARLY went the wrong direction. You seriously want to bring your nonsense view of what lives mean, when your own back yard is teeming with the exact same filth you want mine?

Your opinion, because you don't even live here, means squat.
Pay attention to the crap happening in your own back yard before worrying about mine.


author51 55F  
62103 posts
4/9/2018 9:15 am

Of course when one writes about gun laws and shooting people come out of the woodwork to comment....When we write of something other than drama or senseless, needless acts, they remain hidden....

Even though my country has gun violence,one does not hear of the mass shootings because our gun laws make it hard and our laws are more stringent than those countries who deem it fit to be free to bare arms....

Sorry just my opinion here...

BTW: I am an avid admirer of everything you write......

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MulleenofMelb 53M
2776 posts
4/9/2018 12:18 am

    Quoting yesmamallthetime:
    The NRA has brainwashed people to worship their guns. They cite the 2nd amendment. The courts have been siding with states laws now on the term "well regulated." Thankfully that means that states and local governments can limit firearms and ammunition. Some would say that that is what the Nazis did and that is why the Jews were gathered up etc. However, do those folks who think their government wants them to be without guns so the government can take away all their rights? They have their white guy NRA loving buddy in the white house now. These same gun enthusiasts say they are Patriotic but would go against the military they so love that is now in the hands of their "white" guy. I mean they feared the "black" guy in the white house but he did not come for their guns. I would like folks to have gun liability insurance per each weapon. This only pays for incidentals like bodily damage and property damage caused by the use of said weapon. It does not let anyone off from criminal liability. As we do not have Medicare For All in this country or universal health insurance I find it insane that innocent people have to pay for being the victims of gun violence. Look at the GoFundMe pages for the victims of the Las Vegas shooter. It is sickening to me to see people beg for money to care for their injuries due to a criminal with a gun.
a few ideas here. not sure how the insurance scheme would work, however liability for what your weapon does, would require a stronger form of licensing and recording the weapon in a database, to keep track of the weapon, I doubt this database presently exists.

as for the irrational reasons given, for not having even the mildest, least restrictive controls around these assault weapons...,a lack of commonsense and a lack of concern for the good of the broader community/society is demonstrated.

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MulleenofMelb 53M
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4/9/2018 12:13 am

    Quoting  :

I am not going to argue history. I will ask...

if the government did decide to take tyrannical control, and the US army decided to side with you, would there be any hope of the government winning? In which case an armed militia is not required.

if the government did decide to take tyrannical control, and the US army decided to side with the government, do you think you would win? In which case an armed militia would fail.

The citizenry resisting a tyrannical government does not wash, is of no consequence, if the government is your own, as the majority probably agree, or will silently acquiesce to the takeover - so it has always been in all of history. Dictators rarely takeover by stealth.

(now such a law or right might make sense, and maybe true if the English finally return and demand the subjugation of Colonies of the US to their will and the rule of the government of Queen Elizabeth II, however.....i suspect the majority would support such a measure, considering the confusion and inept behavior of the current US government )

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MulleenofMelb 53M
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4/8/2018 8:54 pm

    Quoting DaringSideOfMe:
    If AR-15s, and similar, are the tool enabling mass murder/shootings (from Wikipedia: including the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, 2012 Aurora shooting, 2015 San Bernardino attack, the 2017 Sutherland Springs church shooting, the 2017 Las Vegas shooting,[63] and the 2018 Stoneman Douglas High School shootings) then as a society which allows guns we should consider if this is the appropriate tool-weapon to have available in our society."

    Glad you could cite a source that so well only fits your narrative.
    Yes, using just that data, you might think, and your readers may agree with you, that you have a water-tight argument.

    Now, look at the death tolls of innocents in Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC, New Orleans... all were heavy restrictions are already in place. The numbers pale. Are your wikipedia deaths worth more than the deaths in the areas I listed? Of course not.

    But, when you look at the tool used... Your "evil, black AR-15" isn't in the hands of those that fear no law and respect very little life. It's that pesky .9mm semi-auto handgun...
Yes. great argument. Other crimes and murders happen so these crimes and murders don't matter.

I look forward to your well balanced argument, and blog post, as to why we need stronger hand gun controls, laws and regulations, in Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC, New Orleans, as the current ones, or the way they are being policed, is inadequate.

Your argument and thoughts on this handgun control have already got my vote.

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MulleenofMelb 53M
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4/8/2018 8:50 pm

    Quoting DaringSideOfMe:
    I just wished you could see I don't like to see or hear of the deaths of innocents any more than the next person.

    Just because I seriously do not feel going after a style of firearm will reverse anything. All you are proposing is putting the law-abiding into undesirable situation and solve nothing at the same time.

    Feel-good band-aides do not fix the problem, or even slow it down.

    You've heard the phrase "close the gate after the horse gets out." The "horse" in this case has been 'out' since the day this country was founded. And that horse just peacefully grazed for 200+ years on the pasture outside the corral. Even the temporary 'gate' that was put in place and re-opened in 2004, did little for the already out horse. Gate closed or opened, the horse just did it's thing... stood there and grazed not bothering anyone.

    That horse is now pestered with swarms of pests making it kick and buck. Nobody seems to look at the swarms of bugs pestering that "horse" outt here bucking, farting and kicking...
    They just point at the "gate."
    The firearm is the "horse". The "gate" is obviously policy and law.
    Why not do what's the logical thing?
    Control the pests.
your statements are nonsensical.

continue to do nothing at all, and their deaths will continue to be on your hands.

if you seriously cannot see the reduction of the type of weapons which make such massacres an inevitable result.

don;t try and shift blame to historical reasons, the learned men who put together that "right" would have framed it differently if they had seen that not 'well ordered militias" but individuals could have such destructive murderous power in their hands.

you are as much the problem, as you refuse to see you give these tools to those"pests" to achieve their aims. Thanks for your thoughts, and I think you have said enough for others to see the intransigence of your position, and those others who have guns, and vote, and are more reasonable in protecting society, to see the fallacy of your arguments.

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DaringSideOfMe 51M  

4/8/2018 7:52 pm

I just wished you could see I don't like to see or hear of the deaths of innocents any more than the next person.

Just because I seriously do not feel going after a style of firearm will reverse anything. All you are proposing is putting the law-abiding into undesirable situation and solve nothing at the same time.

Feel-good band-aides do not fix the problem, or even slow it down.

You've heard the phrase "close the gate after the horse gets out." The "horse" in this case has been 'out' since the day this country was founded. And that horse just peacefully grazed for 200+ years on the pasture outside the corral. Even the temporary 'gate' that was put in place and re-opened in 2004, did little for the already out horse. Gate closed or opened, the horse just did it's thing... stood there and grazed not bothering anyone.

That horse is now pestered with swarms of pests making it kick and buck. Nobody seems to look at the swarms of bugs pestering that "horse" outt here bucking, farting and kicking...
They just point at the "gate."
The firearm is the "horse". The "gate" is obviously policy and law.
Why not do what's the logical thing?
Control the pests.


DaringSideOfMe 51M  

4/8/2018 7:29 pm

    Quoting MulleenofMelb:
    you may think my responses to your comments on my blog post sarcastic and inane.

    this has given all the readers of this blog a chance to see your arguments, and my responses, and we can let them make up their minds if this is stupidity or a discussion we have to have.

    (and as for hunting with, and even for 3-gun competitions, there are many, many alternatives to using the AR15 and its ilk).

    the idea all guns are good is as foolish and shortsighted as the idea all guns are bad. But we should manage guns, as we manage everything else in life.

    If AR-15s, and similar, are the tool enabling mass murder/shootings (from Wikipedia: including the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, 2012 Aurora shooting, 2015 San Bernardino attack, the 2017 Sutherland Springs church shooting, the 2017 Las Vegas shooting,[63] and the 2018 Stoneman Douglas High School shootings) then as a society which allows guns we should consider if this is the appropriate tool-weapon to have available in our society.
If AR-15s, and similar, are the tool enabling mass murder/shootings (from Wikipedia: including the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, 2012 Aurora shooting, 2015 San Bernardino attack, the 2017 Sutherland Springs church shooting, the 2017 Las Vegas shooting,[63] and the 2018 Stoneman Douglas High School shootings) then as a society which allows guns we should consider if this is the appropriate tool-weapon to have available in our society."

Glad you could cite a source that so well only fits your narrative.
Yes, using just that data, you might think, and your readers may agree with you, that you have a water-tight argument.

Now, look at the death tolls of innocents in Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC, New Orleans... all were heavy restrictions are already in place. The numbers pale. Are your wikipedia deaths worth more than the deaths in the areas I listed? Of course not.

But, when you look at the tool used... Your "evil, black AR-15" isn't in the hands of those that fear no law and respect very little life. It's that pesky .9mm semi-auto handgun...


MulleenofMelb 53M
2776 posts
4/8/2018 7:23 pm

    Quoting DaringSideOfMe:
    "f how you hunt is what you described in your other comment, then that is NOT hunting, it is slaughter. Maybe take a look at yourself in your logic mirror..."

    If that jackwagon in Vegas in the hotel overlooking the concert used a .300WinMag Bolt, or a .338 Lapaua Bolt instead of an AR-15 with that gawd-awful, worthless (now, because the media trained you into believing it buzzword) bump-stock; the death toll would have been much higher.

    Again, you focus on just the one firearm platform you've been programmed to loathe.

    But had the LasVegas nutjob used a bolt rifle would all standard hunting rifles now be on the exact same list as your evil black AR-15, and concurrently?
yeah, but he didn't did he. because he wasn't a sporting shooter or a marksman. He just wanted to murder, with the most effective tool he could lay his hands on, to unleash the most bullets he could, in a short period of time onto the heaving mass of humanity below him.

the tool would have been higher? I will let you argue that out with your shooting buddies in the local bar.

And there is no list the AR-15 and its ilk are on. The type of "simple logic" you use and support regarding guns means the "Federal Assault Weapons Ban" was lifted in 2004

As you raise them I do wonder how many sporting rifles have been used in mass shootings since 2004? Maybe the AR15 and its derivatives have been concealing this weapons shocking actions.....but, somehow, I doubt it.

Let's remove the wrong tool for the job, the wrong tool for society.

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MulleenofMelb 53M
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4/8/2018 7:11 pm

    Quoting DaringSideOfMe:
    Now you are just being sarcastic and inane.
    So I will as well.
    I began to spend more and more time on here BECAUSE it wasn't FaceBook.
    Now, you've brought that same stupidity here...
    ...and I was dumb enough to get sucked into it...
    ...AGAIN...
you may think my responses to your comments on my blog post sarcastic and inane.

this has given all the readers of this blog a chance to see your arguments, and my responses, and we can let them make up their minds if this is stupidity or a discussion we have to have.

(and as for hunting with, and even for 3-gun competitions, there are many, many alternatives to using the AR15 and its ilk).

the idea all guns are good is as foolish and shortsighted as the idea all guns are bad. But we should manage guns, as we manage everything else in life.

If AR-15s, and similar, are the tool enabling mass murder/shootings (from Wikipedia: including the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, 2012 Aurora shooting, 2015 San Bernardino attack, the 2017 Sutherland Springs church shooting, the 2017 Las Vegas shooting,[63] and the 2018 Stoneman Douglas High School shootings) then as a society which allows guns we should consider if this is the appropriate tool-weapon to have available in our society.

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DaringSideOfMe 51M  

4/8/2018 7:04 pm

    Quoting MulleenofMelb:
    hmmm...having replied to your other post, i will reply to this.

    my shortsightedness, you seem to believe only non-gun users object to bad laws around guns. Cuddle up to your deformed gun love culture. and let us limit what your psycho can reach for?

    as for hunting, if how you hunt is what you described in your other comment, then that is NOT hunting, it is slaughter.

    Maybe take a look at yourself in your logic mirror, though you may not like who you see reflected back.
"f how you hunt is what you described in your other comment, then that is NOT hunting, it is slaughter. Maybe take a look at yourself in your logic mirror..."

If that jackwagon in Vegas in the hotel overlooking the concert used a .300WinMag Bolt, or a .338 Lapaua Bolt instead of an AR-15 with that gawd-awful, worthless (now, because the media trained you into believing it buzzword) bump-stock; the death toll would have been much higher.

Again, you focus on just the one firearm platform you've been programmed to loathe.

But had the LasVegas nutjob used a bolt rifle would all standard hunting rifles now be on the exact same list as your evil black AR-15, and concurrently?


DaringSideOfMe 51M  

4/8/2018 6:56 pm

    Quoting MulleenofMelb:
    and you need a semi automatic for this hunting?

    Thanks I will take a bolt action .22 for such terribly dangerous critters. Though I can understand how a timid coyote or wave of ravenous prairie dogs might make you need to reach for an AR15.

    Good luck with your general overpowered mayhem in fighting off rodents and vermin. Hate to think what you use on any mice which get into the house, or barn; a claymore?
Now you are just being sarcastic and inane.
So I will as well.
I began to spend more and more time on here BECAUSE it wasn't FaceBook.
Now, you've brought that same stupidity here...
...and I was dumb enough to get sucked into it...
...AGAIN...


MulleenofMelb 53M
2776 posts
4/8/2018 6:52 pm

    Quoting DaringSideOfMe:
    "...do you support access to semi automatic rifles designed for killing not hunting?"
    sigh... logic... please... you want to persuade policy then please don't ignore your own...
    ...shortsightedness.
    Does not hunting 'kill' the intended target? Killing is killing. Hunting is hunting.
    You need to be focusing on the psycho with a messed-up view of target acquisition.
    Not the thing the psycho reaches for.
hmmm...having replied to your other post, i will reply to this.

my shortsightedness, you seem to believe only non-gun users object to bad laws around guns. Cuddle up to your deformed gun love culture. and let us limit what your psycho can reach for?

as for hunting, if how you hunt is what you described in your other comment, then that is NOT hunting, it is slaughter.

Maybe take a look at yourself in your logic mirror, though you may not like who you see reflected back.

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MulleenofMelb 53M
2776 posts
4/8/2018 6:45 pm

    Quoting DaringSideOfMe:
    The AR-15 is perfect for vermin - prairie dogs up to coyotes.
    The AR-10 (the .30 the big brother, same mechanics - Deer, mountain goat, cougar...
    The AR-15 is the competition standard for 3-gun.
    Lastly, the real truth, the AR-15 is a grossly terrible caliber for the type of target you insinuate in this post. The military adopted the round and the M-16/M-4 because of it's serious injury/casualty causation in war. The .223/5.56 fired from this platform was/is designed to critically wound. Theory is: critically wound one enemy combatant and take two more out of the fight to care for the wounded.
    It's clear you have a passion for your "why".
    You are taking your information from the wrong sources
    It is also clear you are under-informed in choosing the path to get to your "why" - it's your "how" that is wrong.
and you need a semi automatic for this hunting?

Thanks I will take a bolt action .22 for such terribly dangerous critters. Though I can understand how a timid coyote or wave of ravenous prairie dogs might make you need to reach for an AR15.

Good luck with your general overpowered mayhem in fighting off rodents and vermin. Hate to think what you use on any mice which get into the house, or barn; a claymore?

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DaringSideOfMe 51M  

4/8/2018 6:43 pm

    Quoting MulleenofMelb:
    yes we blame tools all the time, and restrict them. we expect people to be licenced to drive. To be mechanics and engineers on the planes which fly.

    and you know what, we still have accidents, and people die - but we would have a lot more without people knowing how to drive, or having safety features mandated into vehicles, or having licenced engineers and mechanics maintaining aircraft.

    simply do you support access to semi automatic rifles designed for killing not hunting? And do you honestly believe you would use an AR15 for hunting or in a sporting competition?
"...do you support access to semi automatic rifles designed for killing not hunting?"
sigh... logic... please... you want to persuade policy then please don't ignore your own...
...shortsightedness.
Does not hunting 'kill' the intended target? Killing is killing. Hunting is hunting.
You need to be focusing on the psycho with a messed-up view of target acquisition.
Not the thing the psycho reaches for.


DaringSideOfMe 51M  

4/8/2018 6:22 pm

    Quoting MulleenofMelb:
    question, what is an AR15, or similar weapons, good for?

    honestly?

    it is not for hunting or sport shooting?

    so what is it good for?
The AR-15 is perfect for vermin - prairie dogs up to coyotes.
The AR-10 (the .30 the big brother, same mechanics - Deer, mountain goat, cougar...
The AR-15 is the competition standard for 3-gun.
Lastly, the real truth, the AR-15 is a grossly terrible caliber for the type of target you insinuate in this post. The military adopted the round and the M-16/M-4 because of it's serious injury/casualty causation in war. The .223/5.56 fired from this platform was/is designed to critically wound. Theory is: critically wound one enemy combatant and take two more out of the fight to care for the wounded.
It's clear you have a passion for your "why".
You are taking your information from the wrong sources
It is also clear you are under-informed in choosing the path to get to your "why" - it's your "how" that is wrong.


MulleenofMelb 53M
2776 posts
4/8/2018 6:08 pm

    Quoting yesmamallthetime:
    I appreciate your thoughts on this subject. They mirror mine.
I must admit, I didn't think you would be too "anti" this perspective.

and someone disagrees with your statement, apparently, but it wasn't me!

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MulleenofMelb 53M
2776 posts
4/8/2018 6:06 pm

    Quoting redrockrascal:
    Same goes for a lack of good and well thought out laws that the people, not the politicians and lobby money, can LIVE with.
yes, there are many laws, which need to be constantly tweaked and analysed, and changed, to ensure technology does not override the original intent of the law....gun laws probably more made sense when three shots in a minute from an inaccurate musket was considered excellent fast shooting...the breadth of freedom of speech probably made sense when you could see who was talking, however anonymous bots - working for god knows who - on social media networks are a scourge.

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MulleenofMelb 53M
2776 posts
4/8/2018 6:02 pm

    Quoting austinburner:
    Absolutely agree. There will be more shootings and killings until enough people figure it out and get fed up.
and I agree, and the majority will one day vote change hopefully.

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MulleenofMelb 53M
2776 posts
4/8/2018 6:00 pm

hmmm, I will leave that up to your intelligence and imagination. thanks for the comment.

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MulleenofMelb 53M
2776 posts
4/8/2018 5:58 pm

    Quoting DaringSideOfMe:
    I'm never going to change your mindset. You say the AR-15 is bad, and a menace.
    No pile of statistics anywhere proving otherwise will change your mind.
    I will say, you are taking your stance's cues from an under-informed, and emotionally-based section of the country.
    "The loudest is rarely the majority" - just the loudest.
question, what is an AR15, or similar weapons, good for?

honestly?

it is not for hunting or sport shooting?

so what is it good for?

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MulleenofMelb 53M
2776 posts
4/8/2018 5:56 pm

    Quoting mufdiver69er2:
    yes,blame the tool,not the real root cause of the problem..everything the person im quoting says goes for me also..only law abiding citizens obey laws,good or bad..feeling for victims is human but doesnt contribute to the solving of the problem by murking up the water..
yes we blame tools all the time, and restrict them. we expect people to be licenced to drive. To be mechanics and engineers on the planes which fly.

and you know what, we still have accidents, and people die - but we would have a lot more without people knowing how to drive, or having safety features mandated into vehicles, or having licenced engineers and mechanics maintaining aircraft.

simply do you support access to semi automatic rifles designed for killing not hunting? And do you honestly believe you would use an AR15 for hunting or in a sporting competition?

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DaringSideOfMe 51M  

4/8/2018 5:54 pm

    Quoting MulleenofMelb:
    Good to see you have passion for your convictions.

    If we agree that there is something wrong with society, that such terrible things occur. Should we not try and limit the damage.

    I noticeably didn't say at any point get rid of guns. Look at removing the wrong ones from a dysfunctional society, and allowing the guns only to be available to those who show the right maturity to hold them.

    By jumping straight to any law against ANY gun is bad, you merely support the bad laws which threaten all your other freedoms. And all your other freedoms have regulations and laws which govern how "free" they are - and these are constantly tested and fought over in courts, and in assemblies of those we elect.

    why do you disagree FULLY?
I'm never going to change your mindset. You say the AR-15 is bad, and a menace.
No pile of statistics anywhere proving otherwise will change your mind.
I will say, you are taking your stance's cues from an under-informed, and emotionally-based section of the country.
"The loudest is rarely the majority" - just the loudest.


MulleenofMelb 53M
2776 posts
4/8/2018 5:52 pm

I actually don't agree.

I don;t think "gun nuts" can be convinced, however the majority of gun owners are reasonable, law abiding people.....they are doing nothing illegal by owning and using firearms for the purposes of hunting or sport.

Like any tool though, if the tool is inappropriate for the job, then it discontinuance will not effect those law abiding people. We will ALWAYS have a minority of extremists in all topics, who will demand, and passionately exhort, for the complete freedoms which are dangerous to a society and its members. No need to convince the "gun nuts", even the surveys of NRA members show a majority want reasonable management of the availability of guns, and the types of guns, need to convince those who are responsible, law abiding, and care about their own families.

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MulleenofMelb 53M
2776 posts
4/8/2018 5:46 pm

    Quoting DaringSideOfMe:
    And I am not a "gun nut"
    I am a "Current Freedoms" guy.
    Be it 1st Amendment, 2nd, 4th...
your previous response doesn't support the magnanimity of this comment.

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mufdiver69er2 58M  
1026 posts
4/8/2018 5:45 pm

    Quoting DaringSideOfMe:
    Sorry, disagree fully. I am one of the majority of gun owners, all you listed and the one style you singled-out.
    Your stance on a "bad law" impacts me. Not the one's it would be intended to punish.
    Yes, it's tragic when a psycho does a miserable thing... Yes, it heartbreaking we need a hero to shelter innocents from a psycho. I'm with you there!
    But when you choose to go after the lowest-hanging fruit (the object used) for blame and not the culture that created the psycho - you become the fringe left loudmouth.
    My type of citizen is the one impacted by your 'movement' and not the type that is wrong with society. And don't counter my statement by saying "what about the kids' families impacted?" That's only using emotion to direct policy. And that doesn't work.
    We, as a country, stood behind The Patriot Act after 9/11. And now the NSA is in everyone's business.
    How about the new Child Trafficking Laws? Possibly putting this very site at risk.
    Acid test your arguments, my friend. If infringing one right is fair to you, then test it against all the other freedoms you enjoy. If you're ok shaving away those as well...
yes,blame the tool,not the real root cause of the problem..everything the person im quoting says goes for me also..only law abiding citizens obey laws,good or bad..feeling for victims is human but doesnt contribute to the solving of the problem by murking up the water..


hankypankyinPA2 46M  
19 posts
4/8/2018 5:44 pm

Um, to what 'bad law' are referring?


MulleenofMelb 53M
2776 posts
4/8/2018 5:44 pm

    Quoting DaringSideOfMe:
    Sorry, disagree fully. I am one of the majority of gun owners, all you listed and the one style you singled-out.
    Your stance on a "bad law" impacts me. Not the one's it would be intended to punish.
    Yes, it's tragic when a psycho does a miserable thing... Yes, it heartbreaking we need a hero to shelter innocents from a psycho. I'm with you there!
    But when you choose to go after the lowest-hanging fruit (the object used) for blame and not the culture that created the psycho - you become the fringe left loudmouth.
    My type of citizen is the one impacted by your 'movement' and not the type that is wrong with society. And don't counter my statement by saying "what about the kids' families impacted?" That's only using emotion to direct policy. And that doesn't work.
    We, as a country, stood behind The Patriot Act after 9/11. And now the NSA is in everyone's business.
    How about the new Child Trafficking Laws? Possibly putting this very site at risk.
    Acid test your arguments, my friend. If infringing one right is fair to you, then test it against all the other freedoms you enjoy. If you're ok shaving away those as well...
Good to see you have passion for your convictions.

If we agree that there is something wrong with society, that such terrible things occur. Should we not try and limit the damage.

I noticeably didn't say at any point get rid of guns. Look at removing the wrong ones from a dysfunctional society, and allowing the guns only to be available to those who show the right maturity to hold them.

By jumping straight to any law against ANY gun is bad, you merely support the bad laws which threaten all your other freedoms. And all your other freedoms have regulations and laws which govern how "free" they are - and these are constantly tested and fought over in courts, and in assemblies of those we elect.

why do you disagree FULLY?

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DaringSideOfMe 51M  

4/8/2018 5:36 pm

And I am not a "gun nut"
I am a "Current Freedoms" guy.
Be it 1st Amendment, 2nd, 4th...


austinburner 66M
9 posts
4/8/2018 5:27 pm

Absolutely agree. There will be more shootings and killings until enough people figure it out and get fed up.


DaringSideOfMe 51M  

4/8/2018 5:24 pm

Sorry, disagree fully. I am one of the majority of gun owners, all you listed and the one style you singled-out.
Your stance on a "bad law" impacts me. Not the one's it would be intended to punish.
Yes, it's tragic when a psycho does a miserable thing... Yes, it heartbreaking we need a hero to shelter innocents from a psycho. I'm with you there!
But when you choose to go after the lowest-hanging fruit (the object used) for blame and not the culture that created the psycho - you become the fringe left loudmouth.
My type of citizen is the one impacted by your 'movement' and not the type that is wrong with society. And don't counter my statement by saying "what about the kids' families impacted?" That's only using emotion to direct policy. And that doesn't work.
We, as a country, stood behind The Patriot Act after 9/11. And now the NSA is in everyone's business.
How about the new Child Trafficking Laws? Possibly putting this very site at risk.
Acid test your arguments, my friend. If infringing one right is fair to you, then test it against all the other freedoms you enjoy. If you're ok shaving away those as well...


smallballs555 63M
25 posts
4/8/2018 5:19 pm

convince the gun nuts


redrockrascal 60M
18549 posts
4/8/2018 5:16 pm

Same goes for a lack of good and well thought out laws that the people, not the politicians and lobby money, can LIVE with.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.

The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.


MulleenofMelb 53M
2776 posts
4/8/2018 5:03 pm

when a bad law exists
it reflects and enhances
the flaws in a society.

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